PAT: Destiny says one day, she and her mom were in the car, and her mom said DESTINY HARRIS: She said, "I don't know, you know, maybe they'll grow bigger? LULU: In a very real way, we've been thinking a lot about inheritance. PAT: Last I heard she was living on the streets in LA. Yeah. Push yourself and you got it.". We spay them. PAT: In this magazine article, Barbara even said, quote, "We don't allow dogs to breed. You can do this. Inheritance Radiolab Podcast Genetics Homework Assignment Homework assignment on the Radiolab podcast 'Inheritance', developed for a college-level cell biology class. JAD: To fellow named Jean-Baptiste Pierre Antoine de Monet, chevalier de Lamarck. And um PAT: Doctors would later explain to Barbara that Destiny's mom had been addicted to drugs while she was pregnant. SAM KEAN: And his lab ended up getting destroyed. ROBERT: Including a particular amphibian that plays a very big part in this story. And I packed up my stuff, it's pretty much done. It's a small forest area, very beautiful. The sperm carries these marks to the next generation. Radiolab 50.3K subscribers Subscribe 29 1.5K views 6 months ago On this episode, the case that pushed one Supreme Court justice to a nervous breakdown, brought a boiling feud to a head, and. I'm Sam Kean's dad. SAM KEAN: But this was a really, really tough place to grow up. PAT: A year later, she gets another call. ROBERT: You cant say that. Well, yep, that is so true. KARIN BORGKVIST LJUNG: Jans Olaf, Hanna Kaiser, Heinrik Venvei. ROBERT: Which, when you think about it, it has a very Lamarckian flavor. I went to the hospital and picked him up. Hi, this is Will, calling from Northumberland, England. Right away, people accused her of targeting women at their weakest moment and enabling their drug abuse. SECTION I - Story 1 (Lamark, Krammerer & the Midwife Toads) 1. At the Vivarium, as the name suggests, they have live animals. Full disclosure, she's Robert's sister's partner. And then, Michael just launched into this thing. SMITTY HARRIS: He was just You know, most babies are kinda peaceful, he was never really peaceful. SAM KEAN: And these effects, in fact, were so strong that you could trace it to the grandfather. You can do this. New York Public Radio transcripts are created on a rush deadline, often by contractors. We inherited this beloved show that we first fell in love with as listeners. ROBERT: According to Darwin, life and changes are ruled by chance. This is from 2002. But wouldnt it be nice if thats how it worked? It's a very different kind of front line, where urgent work means moving slow, and time is marked out in tiny pre-planned steps. Barbara tried to get a law passed requiring just that. JAD: That's what good rat mothers do, they lick their babies a lot. I mean, he hates water. [laughs[ So yeah, it's embarrassing, but I believe everything happens for a reason. I don't like to upset people. And very often, one of them will just go crashing into the DNA and it'll stick there like a barnacle or a glob of peanut butter. ROBERT: If you were a great rat mommy, what would you be doing with your rat baby? ROBERT: And youre saying that part of the DNA is covered up? No, not brain cells. She started to wish again that she could have a daughter. Listen Feb 10, 2023 Bliss When did you last shout from happiness? And that number, by the way, has grown a lot. The connection between trees Normally trees from different species are competitors. 10 Controversial And Thought-Provoking 'Radiolab' Episodes. PAT: When you first hear about this, what goes through your mind? ROBERT: You wonder, where did that come from? Birth mother's name was actually the same as me, so, Barbara. You just haven't evolved for this and there's no way you can, at least not quickly. DESTINY HARRIS: That's my little girl. Famine again, and these changes would just bounce back and forth. As a parent, you are a tiny blip in a very, very, long story. PAT: Watching this, I couldn't help but think that Destiny's very existence is probably the most interesting argument against what Barbara is doing. In RadioLab a laboratory setting is used, in which the player receives radioactive stones that emit alpha, beta and gamma radiation particles. He'd fall asleep and just wake up screaming. The way she saw it, the state, the federal government, somebody Should say, "You're not doing this. It would be wrong to think that they represent all women who use drugs while they're pregnant. I initially felt very hopeful and excited about this research because it seems to suggest that a body, one body can respond to an environment and change and be flexible in a way we didn't think was possible. I mean, for one thing, Barbara's white and Destiny's black. US $53.6 Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for VCM II Main Cable VCM2 16pin Cable VCM 2 OBD2 Cable VCM ii IDS V101 Data Cable at the best online prices at Free shipping for many products And um BARBARA HARRIS: I had asked for a newborn, so when the social worker called me, she said, "I have this cute little baby girl for you but she's eight months old. We ended up talking to the guy who did the work. Watching this, I couldn't help but think that Destiny's very existence is probably the most interesting argument against what Barbara is doing. You know? And then they're going to basically revel at that particular spot and turn on that gene. I find myself thinking like, Okay, I know these kids have their genes half from me, half from my wife. But at that point just two of the six boys were living at home, Brian and Rodney. ROBERT: Because it's got the thing stuck to it? That tongue is doing something to the DNA. And you have to bear in mind that at this point, it only had one hand left. ], Like you said, when you were in your addiction like she is], I didn't say I'm God. Like Id be like, Weve got the keys, were gonna trash the house., Anyway, we think about that all the time and I was just talking to Lulu about that and she was just like, You know, theres a radiolab about this.. Okay, you want to say bye? And looking at these swings in fortune, Olov realized what he had here was Because with all this data, he and his team could follow families forward in time, through the generations. CARL ZIMMER: He was born in 1880 in Vienna, Jewish family. I mean, youre just youre saying a lot of things that are really impressive. ROBERT: So if they saw somebody who was starving as a kid in 1820, they could then see, "Well, when those people had children and grandchildren, did anything change? a rat mother licking her baby can have such a profound effect, basically change the expression of the genes in the baby, well that's hopeful. Radiolab is on YouTube! DESTINY HARRIS: And that could have very easily have been one of us. And I didn't find a single case of someone saying that they regretted what they've done. I know I've been joking a lot in this interview, but I mean it with all that I am. Who are they? He stuffed himself silly; 9, 10, 11 years old, so he's a happy grandpa, you the grandson, you then would have. And um Doctors would later explain to Barbara that Destiny's mom had been addicted to drugs while she was pregnant. And what about the four kids that weren't raised with Barbara? According to Frances, it's not just sitting up there perfectly preserved, it's in the middle of the cell, it's crowded. I'm Carl Zimmer's daughter. But along with the support came attacks, particularly as drug-addicted women began to sign up. The results make it probable that our descendants will learn more quickly what we know well, will execute more easily what we have accomplished with great effort, will be able to withstand what injured us almost to the point of death. JAD: Visited Kammerer's lab when Kammerer wasn't there. Nice, cool water. Knock it right off the DNA. And even though they look basically nothing alike. All these women who have so many babies and never try to seek drug treatment. I mean, when you look at the records, you don't see huge spikes in mortality. Whole lifetime of stretching. Telling some genes to turn off now, other genes to turn on. All these chemicals racing by crashing into it, sticking, and one of the bits that gets covered up is that little bit that makes the proteins that create a maternal instinct. They both say that they actually often forget that they're not biologically related. And Barbara and Destiny walked me out to my car. In this episode, originally aired in 2012, we put nature and nurture on a collision course and discover how outside forces can find a way inside us, and change not just our hearts and minds, but the basic biological blueprint that we pass on to future generations. ROBERT: But the results are very clear. Except he had one. PAT: And I told Destiny I was thinking about this and asked her about it. CARL ZIMMER: But but theres like some hope here because JAD: Okay, all right, this is interesting. In this episode, originally aired in 2012, we put nature and nurture on a co It was something they acquired during their lifetime. And, I mean, I have straight A's and I'm making it work. ROBERT: Are you near the Arctic Circle or OLOV BYGREN: My home village was 10 miles North of polar circle. One time, and I'm on flighter. I'm the founder and director of Project Prevention. I guess the way I would look at it is that you can change your environment a lot more easily than you can change your genes. OLOV BYGREN: Something happens on the molecular level. Anyways, God bless you. Yes. BARBARA HARRIS: Yeah, the social worker called and told me the mother had given birth. JAD: We all know this, that there are cycles of abuse or whatever. His example with humans was a blacksmith. JAD: His big idea, as you might know, is that what a person does in their lifetime could be directly passed to their kids. PAT'S MOM: Radiolab is produced by Jad Abumrad. PAT: But she says she doesn't feel that way anymore. You know? They wanted to see basically the effects of starvation on multiple generations. LATIF: Still, still standing. JAD: Anyhow, so you got this guy, Paul Kammerer, who's good with animals. FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: Yes, yes. He said, "If you were a boy, and you starve between the ages of 9 and 12, and then you went on to become a father, then a grandfather, your grandkids". I don't have the biggest boobies in the world. I make a difference to her. We travel to Ukraine to follow a shipment of abortion pills, and discover a complicated conversation about pregnancy and choice in wartime. As he's doing his rounds, he stops by the midwife toad terrarium, he looks down at that little male toad with grapes stuck to his legs and he wonders, "How adaptable is that little guy?" We talked to her for a little while and At a certain point the social worker pulls out a stack of papers. She filled out the forms went BARBARA HARRIS: Through all the training that we had to do and first aid, fingerprinted and had a background check done. Nobody has a right to do that to a baby. Do you know anything about the other four? Let me say this again. Wow. Three of them ended up in other foster homes and seem to have done pretty well, but one of them DESTINY HARRIS: Okay, well of them, don't really know what happened to her. I asked Barbara about some of the things that she'd said because, to be totally honest, they kind of turn my stomach. Baby, be careful. But I'm going to give them a basin of water. Who now works at Columbia University. Is that a genetic hatred of whistling that I just had? Move on to the next cage yes, no? Its an idea thats been kicking around for me since my kids were born. Oh, that's a lot of potatoes. JAD: How do these simple little traits get passed forward? And she says oftentimes the women who want help have a really hard time finding it. You cant say that. You just have to weigh it, is it worth it? That was amazing. It does, it does make kind of a folk sense. I'm the founder and director of Project Prevention. His famous example was giraffes. [laughs] Can you say, "Never, ever?" ROBERT: Or how much humidity it preferred. Is that too old?" I'm so proud and I have four years clean. like they could be whistling six tables over in a restaurant and he would turn around and be like, "Stop that," it was like it was scraping his very nerves. CARL ZIMMER: Just until they hatch and then 'til they go off. Okay, you want to say bye? But I take it that we have more control over our destinies and our kids' destinies than we would've thought. She's 22 now and she's never even met her birth mom. Your support helps Radiolab continue to provoke, delight, and keep audiences curious. In this episode, originally aired in 2012, we put nature and nurture on a collision course and discover how outside forces can find a way inside us, and chan Transcripts and recorded audio may be available for many of the programs you hear on WNYC. I mean, they didn't have porridge. DESTINY HARRIS: Kick it to him. LULU: Did you know there is a part of this show is gonna be like crazy breaking news, like happened yesterday and we already have a deep take on it? She said, "Thank you so much for the gift, I bought my son an excavator truck, remote control and some summer outfits." JAD: See, this is the story of science that doesn't get told. This week The Science Show introduces Radiolab from WNYC in New York City. Including a particular amphibian that plays a very big part in this story. FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: You would be licking them quite a lot. Yeah. They all go down to the DNA, surround that methyl and just, pow! Radiolab is a radio program broadcast on public radio stations in the United States, and a podcast available internationally, both produced by WNYC.Hosted by Jad Abumrad, Latif Nasser and Lulu Miller, each episode focuses on a topic of a scientific and philosophical nature, through stories, interviews, and thought experiments.. OLOV BYGREN: So they didn't starve to death. When rats have more of this protein, they will act more motherly. FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: You know, you've got all these chemicals around. MICHAEL MEANEY: So thats the reason, of course, that we work with rats because we can get inside the brain. And they had more. I know I've been joking a lot in this interview, but I mean it with all that I am. PAT: And all over the political spectrum, from Hollywood lefties to social conservatives. And those lucky ones, according to Darwin's theory, they would have had to have been born with some random mutation in their genes That gave them an advantage in this situation. FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: Why? These are four kids from the same birth mother? That doesn't matter. ROBERT: Well, so here's the thing. DESTINY HARRIS: As you can see, I like to talk. They won't grow much on the outside, but on the inside That is the time where the sperms are developing. At once and we're watching 40 litters at a time. BARBARA HARRIS: "She's born and tested positive for PCP crack and heroin." That the licking is changing the baby's DNA? CARL ZIMMER: Well, there was an expert on reptiles named G. Kingsley Noble. SAM KEAN: It was this struggle for a few years. BARBARA HARRIS: I was just pissed at what they have done to my children. Started with the tongue. We went to the foster home and went in. Lamarck said, You wanna know how a giraffe got its long neck?, One day this giraffe, mother giraffe, lets say, was looking up in the tree and saw some fruit, and had to stretch he neck, and stretch again. Environmental Biology Radiolab - Inheritance Due to Haiku by Monday March 3rd Name: Dmitry Matveev Date: Your boys will first grow taller and taller for the next few years, and when they get to be about 9, 10 years old, they're going to stop growing just for a few years. More brain cells? You must have internet access to do this). They suddenly had to get by on a tiny fraction of the food that they were used to. Yeah. ], I'd like everybody to meet, please, Barbara Harris. Take a look, explore and subscribe! They like to hang out in the water and the females like to lay eggs in the water. But if you've got a mom who licks you. PAT: Barbara has this drawer in her desk. A little village? That's a lot of people. SAM KEAN: He was known for going around and giving, what he called, his big show lectures, where he would wow whole audiences of people. PAT: It would be wrong to assume the women Barbara talks about on TV [ARCHIVAL CLIP, BARBARA HARRIS: These women don't just have one and two babies. They decided to explore this question, They thought, "Let's just see if we can figure out how it is the rat mothers pass down their parenting skills?". She's not offering treatment, she's not offering counseling, and there are programs that do that. So Barbara and her son got in the car and drove across town to the foster home where Destiny had been living for the past eight months. ", And I called my husband again at work and said, "They want to know if we want to take the baby." Honestly, I think it never seemed like she was anything but my real mom, if that makes sense. PEJK MALINOVSKI: This is the verkalix church parish record. And one of them is called the thyroid system. ROBERT: That's interesting. Your grade will be based on how complete and correct your answers are. And in1923, he actually comes to England. [ARCHIVAL CLIP, BARBARA HARRIS: Well, I just want to eliminate drug-addicted babies from being born. The critical part of this Is that all these changes wake up this little gang of proteins. The sneaky idea here is that the blacksmiths, the giraffes, they made it happen. JAD: And very often, one of them will just go crashing into the DNA and it'll stick there like a barnacle or a glob of peanut butter. JAD: So I guess you could say to yourself, "Seven out of eight of these kids did all right?". You know? And so, her name is Kalia. Peanut butter, there we go. Because, you know, that Ive got these two kids, right? JAD: Don't you see, somehow the mother's tongue is getting all the way down in there and going [mumbles] and messing with the baby's DNA. In any case, what they saw at the end of all this counting wasWell, first of all, what they saw was this pattern that rat pups who got licked a lot as babies, when they grew up, they licked their babies a lot and the rat pups who didn't get licked a lot, when they grew up, they didn't lick their babies. I mean like, with the licking, is it a teaching thing where, you know, the babies become good mothers because FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: They've seen it and they've repeated the experience. [chuckles], OLOV BYGREN: Yes, yes. I don't like to upset people. And then they're going to basically revel at that particular spot and turn on that gene. This is nice and quiet. He thought that you could kind of engineer societies by changing the environment. In this episode, originally aired in 2012,we put nature and nurture on a collision course and discover how outside forces can find a way inside us, and change not just our hearts and minds, but the basic biological blueprint that we pass on to future generations. And Barbara is not offering that. ROBERT: What a name, you've got to like this guy. PAT: This great. Kammerer thought, "Wow.". ROBERT: Just for those years. KARIN BORGKVIST LJUNG: She was born 1904 and this is OLOV BYGREN: Everything happening in the family KARIN BORGKVIST LJUNG: Nelson, he was an idiot. Well, her explanation is that these women are having, in her terms, litters of damaged babies and society forever will be responsible for them. ROBERT: And they didn't have these on land? We actually sent our friend, Pejk Malinovski, to the archives in Stockholm to check it out. You can't see that on the radio but, hey, it's a fact of life. And when methyl groups stick to that part of the DNA, the maternal instinct is effectively turned off. JAD: They all go down to the DNA, surround that methyl and just, pow! She was thinking BARBARA HARRIS: "Everybody's motivated by money., BARBARA HARRIS: Can I offer these women money to use birth control? You're now hearing Lamarck's name invoked these days because there are things beyond genes that we pass down to our children. I had asked for a newborn, so when the social worker called me, she said, "I have this cute little baby girl for you but she's eight months old. And Destiny was in the other room, sleeping or something, I'm not sure. And Barbara found herself returning to a thought she'd kind of always had. The women who I've worked with, who've had a history of drug problems, aren't like the examples that she gives. OLOV BYGREN: Well, for cardiovascular disease JAD: Olov told us, take heart disease. In a very real way, weve been thinking a lot about inheritance. DESTINY HARRIS: My situation turned out positive. FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: I think that's where Lamarck's ideas can be woven in and make some sense. DESTINY HARRIS: Taylor Swift's Never Getting Back Together. MICHAEL MEANEY: That's it. See, this is the story of science that doesn't get told. Suddenly you're marked. They would experience these wild changes from harvest to harvest. JAD: What you see in the records, is that one year PEJK MALINOVSKI: 100 liters. Like. Listen to the first three stories of the "Inheritance" Radiolab Podcast (Control + click on link to access podcast. But here's what I did not know about DNA. Professional authors can write an essay in 3 hours, if there is a certain volume, but it must be borne in mind that with such a service the price will be the highest. My mom needed a girl and, boop! Because we had already had to upgrade from a car to a van, from a condo to a home. 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