After 6 years of reading this forum, I was under the impression that a 5L LH M119 will install neatly into a 400E, 100% of the time for 10 times less than what JC220 wants to charge some incognizant stranger? Well my 93 had a 2.85:1 rear diff, and rear sub frame mods r highly recommendedSuspension, well Eibachs is what I useIf you want roll bars, Delsing 500E rollbars, with the ends cut a little to fit the 190E. Now that I'm fully woken up and on my third cup of coffee, I also want to mention that the KE-Jet M119 has a completely different computer and electronics setup than the LH-based M119 cars. So one day we decided that that nobody has ever ( that I've seen) built and successfully completed a 500e wagon. An additional option is to have a high pressure diagnostic port installed as well since this port will be lost from switching to the M104 A/C manifold. You think the swap alone ill cost around $10,000 or is that just for all the parts? Source: Team Lovetap and Team Lovetap FB page. Every panel is made from FRP (fiber-reinforced plastic) except for A-pillar, C-pillar, and roof. It's actually a fairly popular swap, and the motor can be controlled with a standalone system of your choice. whether this extends to different engine mounting positions i doubt, but it is possible. The engine produces 468 horsepower and 580 Nm (427 lb-ft) of torque to the rear wheels thanks to the turbocharger producing 0.7 bar (10.1 psi) of boost. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. weren't there like 100 sportline LEs built for the USA and 100 for europe? JavaScript is disabled. The ol' girl has probably done around 8-10k trouble free miles since the swap, until the air pump bearing decided to retire and smoked the belt. For those unfamiliar with the project, its powered by a turbocharged 3.2 L M104 inline-six producing 800 horsepower and 930 Nm (685 lb-ft) of torque and Tex Racing T101a four-speed dogbox. Im gonna have to work my ass off to be able to do the work on this benzbut it will all be worth it in the end. Then swap in a 2.65-2.82 differential (in place of the 2.24 granny gears) and, optionally, a 5.0L engine. Fuel is fed to the inline-six through Bosch 2200 cc injectors and Nuke Performance fuel rail. you should check on 190rev there's more tuning types there than here. Yeah, I've got a thread going over there too. Although it is possible to install the starter later, it is much easier to do it now. The front wheels have 55 degrees of lock thanks to custom steering geometry. torque using the old KE Elctro-Mechanical Fuel Injection like that used on the older m103 Inline 6. engine alone. The engine produces 510 horsepower and 630 Nm to the rear wheels. All bolt-in, no welding required. Remove with transmission attached. Looks like im gonna be spending a lot of money on this projecthehe. The swap from the smaller 2.6L M103 to a 3.0L M103 is a direct bolt-on swap (assuming the engines from the same cutoff years are used) and gives a small increase of around 30HP. Therefore, nothing but good old venerable striahgt 6s. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Fuel is fed to the inline-six through Bosch 2200 cc injectors and Nuke Performance fuel rail. Its a 3.0, 7000rpm limit, and 228hp, 201 lb.ft. you have a 2.6 sportline 5spd they are super had to come by( ask me how i know) i would leave it alone and do the maintenance to it. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Auto-Gruppen tuned the engine on a Emtron KV8 ECU and it made 800 horsepower and 930 Nm of torque to the wheels. You will need to reclock the alternator by removing the screws holding the 2 halves of the alternator together and turning them to match how a 190E alternator looks. JavaScript is disabled. Learn how your comment data is processed. Mercedes w203 Engine Swap "The Plan" (Pt.1) M271|M104|M111 Ricer Benz 4.27K subscribers Join Subscribe 143 Share 10K views 2 years ago M111 turbo Video link :. Well, I am right with you. Simply put, the M103 and M104 share the same block, primary differences are the head and the injection setup. I have a 1990 190E 2.6the straight six just isnt cutting it performance wise. It rides on a set of Cosmis Racing XT206R wheels with 189.5-inch in front and 1811-inch in back. It replaced the M103 and was replaced by the M112 V6 starting in 1997. With such a light car I don't think you need more than 300. Install without transmission. Is removal and shorter belt fitting possible? 1996 Volvo 855GLT, 1993 MB 190e 2.3 8v, 1998 Subaru Outback SUS, 1991 BMW 525, 1998 MB C230. Im leaning towads the AMG C36, sounds like a real nice setup. MBWorld member Gen3Benz had the ambitious plan of stuffing an LS1 V8 motor under the hood of his W201. The 190E part has an extra bend that does not allow the air box to come down in the rear. via Oppositelock. Aftermarket is obviously with the LS. The sedan originally came with a 3.0 L M103 12v inline-six but was replaced with a 3.0 L M104.980 24v inline-six. Doesn't the 93 sportline have the switchable differential? Lower engine from hoist into engine bay and align motor mounts. Additionally, the high pressure hose is slightly longer and uses a 90 degree bend that is not compatible with a 190E 2.6 A/C condenser. . Also depends if you are willing to take on a "mechanic's special" that is cheap because they couldn't figure out what's wrong with it. Using the ones meant for a W124 will result in the engine sitting too high and interfere with hood closing, Removed the engine mount support arms from the original 190E motor and transferred to the new M104 motor. Im no where near having all of the funds to do thisproject withwere probably looking at like a year or two down the road. My M104 is a 99 hfm. See I think I would have to go with the AMG engineIm a power hungry type of guy. the volvo is a non turbo auto which will become a t-5R 5 spd in the future. :p, What about suspension and the rearend? Note that the battery is located under the hood on an E320, and the couple of computers there are, are located just behind the battery under the windshield. History, Power & Specs of the Engine M104 2.8 L M104.900 3.0 L M104.98x 217 to 228 hp@ 6400 rpm 265Nm (195lbft@ 4600) (with cat) When you find one, buy it. Not to mention, but on the 500E, the computers are located under the hood, and the battery is located in the trunk. Mrten competes in a special 2003 Mercedes CLK we first covered in 2015. I think if you're looking for a fast 124, you have a bunch of options that'll be cheaper than swapping a v8 into an I6 car. These are the prices for the 95 E320 two years ago: $575.00 124 440 56 32 (early model run) $714.76 124 440 29 33 (late model run) You can type in these part numbers (or the number on your current harness) on FastLane to determine the current prices. Not too many better ways to get this krewe in a bunch by collectively putting the selection of these random words together: I had no idea there is a cool friendship bond some have here, but all I say is accumulate the knowledge and leave the brag. As, If the OP sends me a container with subject vehicle, m119.970 + donor 400E and $25k I can make it work in a few months. Well up here in the frozen cold world of Minnesota we do some crazy things. Will be taking it there soon so I'll post my times. The 20% difference consists of 10% engine/gearing, 8% bodywork and interior, and 2% everything else. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. My daily is an LS swapped 80 series land cruiser. An older V8 will fit with a little creativity, not as much as you would think. It is the newer 24valve m104 engine. CLK, W209. Of course what excites us the most is the Mercedes 3.2 L M104 (M104.99x) inline-six sitting under the hood. Of course what excites us the most is the Mercedes 3.2 L M104 (M104.99x) inline-six sitting under the hood. You are using an out of date browser. I guess a V8 it sorta out of the questionand seems kinda pointless. both m104 and 2jz handle 1000hp but the price is real big difference. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. This Nissan 350Z was built to drift by Yaroslav Kremets from Nomotors in Kyiv, Ukraine. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Mercedes W124 with a 1000 hp Turbo M104 Inline-Six November 6, 2019 W124 This Mercedes W124 300E called "Blueberry" is built and owned by Turbobandit in Stockholm, Sweden. Seen one in the "legends of the autobahn" car show a couple of years ago in Carmel/Monterey. Source: Team Lovetap (project page), Team Lovetap FB page, Auto-Gruppen FB page, and Drifted. Ive heard opinions that Toyotas 2JZ was heavily inspired by this M104 series, which came out a year before the 2JZ (and ofc the earlier M103 and M110 series from the late 70s). Simple and cheap power however since I wasnt inclined to do a engine swap I bought a E420. the mercedes is a DD that gets 30mpg that looks good. Way back in 2007, we were presented with an interesting engine swap. We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. changing the clutch and pulling out m104 engine on my 2.0 W201 190Eswap,320e,e320,w124,m104,m104 3.2,mercedes-benz,plasme cutting,mercedes,,190,190e,. If you want a really nice one, I'm guessing it will likely end up in the $4-$8k ballpark. The sedan rides on Yellow Racing coilovers, OZ Future wheels (179,1712), CL600 front brakes, and 300TE rear brakes. You are using an out of date browser. The flywheels and driven plates (for the automatic) have large metal ridges that trigger a sensor for the ignition system. 1975 W116 280S - SOLD 1994 W124 E320 Coupe - Gone CURRENT - 1974 450SEL s class W116 Addict Posts: 4,213 I'll keep the 116's, the rest can go Location: Squeezing 3 W116's into a double garage Logged #1 19 August 2010, 12:38 PM The M104.98x now has an updated version of CIS that is not directly compatible with the older version. Behind the engine sits a five-speed manual transmission taken from a BMW E46 3.0d and connected via a bell housing from a Mercedes 2.7 CDI. I could make a you-tube video to document the process with lots of "Hey Guys today I'll just pop the motor in" and a mere few tea breaks later the engine will be in and it will all be easy peasy time for epic burnouts. i have the m102 2.0 in the car as is and i have heard that the problem with having the smaller motor rather than the 2.3 or 2.6 is that the steering box will cause a problem when fitting the engine? If the fuel pump runs does this indicate power? as i have said, the chassis for 2.6 vs all other models are different. Doing the upgrades on an E420 is plug+play, and easily done if you have the ability to handle an engine swap. Inside the car you find a custom six-point roll cage, Takata 6-point harness, Sparco Evo 2 seats. go the suggested 400E + LH M119 route, which gives you an 80-90% chance of success. We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. As @a777fan said, there are multiple discussions of these types of engine swaps on the forum. Hello S70/2, Im new to this forum, well any forum in fact but I need a lot of help, Im currently undertaking an m104 hfm swap, the motor is in and have managed to wire it to the extent where it turns, fuel pump responds to m104 fp relay but cant seem to get it to spark, Ive currently taken all the wirering back out to start again, I have full wirering diagrams printed out, one thing Im confused with is how the ecu is supplied with power? M104.98x Motor Swap in a 190E One of the most common engine swaps for a 190E is the installation of the bigger M103 3.0L motor. Lengthen and connect the 3 prong connector under fuel distributor for airflow potentiometer (brown/green, blue/black, blue/green), Lengthen and connect the 1 prong coolant temperature sensor (green), Lengthen and connect the 2 prong coolant temperature sensor (brown, green), Lengthen and connect cold start valve wire, Longer CIS 4 prong coolant temperature sensor. I believe the engine carrier would need to be modified. Use it however you wish or block it off. The work in the trunk involved installing a new fuel cell, fold-down radiator, expansion tank, and tubular structure. 20cm is slightly too long). For reference: I've owned/own 2 M104 swapped 190Es. That was later replaced with a turbocharged M104.992 inline-six now making 1000+ horsepower on 8.7:1 compression and MegaSquirt MS3X ECU. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. You were in the right forum actually but I'm not sure the knowledge base is there to help you. The easiest swap out, would be a 90-93 300SL Engine Swap. all that accumulated grease and oil. MB 300E 24v Turbo MS3X. Hi Adriano. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Connect single pin connector by ignition coil, Connect AC compressor wires (blue/green, white, blue/red), Connect throttle position wires (brown/yellow, brown, gray/yellow). I have a friend who had a 3.0L from a 300E in his 190 and it was pretty quick too. Originally It uses a V6 e not a straight 6, right? Another option is to swap in the CIS version of the M104 engine found on the earliest M104 powered cars (1990-1992 300CE and 1990-1993 300SL). Wow, Thanks for all the info. But any ways, what engines can I put in my 190? haha, no worries! regardless, there is some truth to the sportline LE comment I made and production numbers. Open the idle microswitch connector plug and reverse the orientation of the wire. M119 upper engine harness - how to rewire temp plug? If it doesn't stall leave it alone!!!!!!!!!!!! ya dont destroy a 5-speed sportline. The car rides on a Wisefab front and rear suspension with BC Racing adjustable coilovers. Haven't taken it to the track yet but I know it has over 220bhp. The stock 3.8L Euro has 218bhp and I have flowmaster exhaust, an intake from a 420SEL, (It bolts right on), and a crane cams ignition. Navigation Menu . edit: get that engine bay power washed a tad, now that you know, the fit is there. Nissan 350Z Gets Turbo Mercedes M104 By Michael Van Runkle Published Jun 7, 2020 The Merc powered 350Z pumps out an impressive 510 horsepower and 464 lb-ft of torque, which is much more than the stock Nissan mill. I've always wondered why people make the wagons accept V8s when it might be easier to make the sedan a wagon (shooting brake, if you will). The car rides on a Wisefab front and rear suspension with BC Racing adjustable coilovers. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. I owned a supra before this car and miss it. I saw one real nice one on the web that had a AMG 3.8 in it. We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Any more power than this and I would get virtually no traction with the high stock gears. To swap a non V8 w124 into LH V8 spec would require the following parts changing: Wouldn't it be fun to have a 500e wagon? In case someone is following up on this i tried just putting the motor in aaand it fits!!! If it was a black 2.6, with gray cladding, that's John's car from the over on the rev. You must log in or register to reply here. Power is sent through a 4-inch driveshaft to a BMW E34 differential modified to fit the factory Mercedes subframe. Will always be cheaper to get what you want from the get go, If a wagon is your thing, maybe find a junkyard S124 and V8 124 with a crappy body and just frankenstein them? Would you recomend doing this swap? It was built for the track and drifting. via Engine Swap Depot What are some 1/4 time and or top speed #'s for people have done these swaps? Secure engine to hoist and lift to remove. Hello, I'm new to the Mercedes world, just picked up a 1993 190e 2.6 sportline 5spd manual for my daily driver. Using the original 190E A/C manifold hoses not work entirely either. One thing i forgot to mention, the sway bar and the skid plate needs to be modified but thats easy peasy. I wasn't kidding about a 6-12 month search nationwide. as for fitting in the 104 engine, it is anyone's guess whether the manifold and down pipes will clear the steering box. Such a light car I do n't think you need more than 300 the future E420 is,... Think I would have to go with the AMG C36, sounds like a nice... 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